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The Dubsism 2013 NFL Draft Review – What We Told Them vs. What They Did vs. What ESPN Won’t Tell You

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Things to Remember:

  • References to the “Kiper Theory” are ironically based on our Dubsism Anti-Kiper NFL Draft Board. The “Kiper Theory” is the one that states teams must take the best player available, regardless of team needs.
  • We rate drafts using the proprietary formula of the Dubsism Draft Quotient. This formula rates drafts picks based on rankings of players players based on overall ratings and within each position, balanced against team needs and when the pick was made.
  • We refused to change our board based on hype, workouts, or whatever Todd McShay or any of those other hacks says. As the only draft prognosticators who actually watches college football games and not just film clips earlier than December, we based our rankings on something simple: the guy we thought would be the best NFL player. We covered as to why we reject conventional wisdom in our Team-by-Team warning about the NFL Draft.
  • The more Mel Kiper disagrees with us, the more we believe we are right.  At the same time, we have undying respect for a guy we also think is a complete fraud. Kiper never stands behind things he says unless he happened to be right, and he changes his mind constantly in the run up to the draft. On the other hand, how can you not respect a guy who has made a whole career and millions of dollars out of saying “Trev Alberts sucks?”

 

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Things We Got Right:

Guys we had in the first Round who were actually drafted in the first round:

  • Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M
  • Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia
  • Bjoern Werner DE Florida State
  • Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan
  • Dee Milliner CB Alabama
  • Barkevious Mingo OLB LSU 
  • Chance Warmack OG Alabama
  • Dion Jordan DE Oregon
  • Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
  • D.J. Fluker OT Alabama
  • Xavier Rhodes CB Florida State
  • Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
  • Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee
  • Datone Jones DE UCLA
  • Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma 
  • Alec Ogletree ILB Georgia
  • Jonathan Cooper OG North Carolina
  • Desmond Trufant CB Washington
  • Tavon Austin WR West Virginia

Things We Got Wrong:

Guys we had in the first Round who were not drafted in the first round:

  • Star Lotulelei DT Utah
  • Damontre Moore DE Texas A&M
  • Johnathan Hankins DT Ohio State
  • Keenan Allen WR California
  • Geno Smith QB West Virginia
  • Kevin Minter ILB LSU 
  • Zach Ertz TE Stanford
  • Jonathan Jenkins DT Georgia
  • Johnathan Banks CB Mississippi State
  • Sam Montgomery DE LSU 
  • Barrett Jones C Alabama
  • Justin Hunter WR Tennessee
  • Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas

Guys we did not have in the first round who were in fact drafted in the first round:

  • Ezekiel Ansah DE BYU
  • D.J. Hayden CB Houston
  • E.J. Manuel QB Florida State
  • Eric Reid S LSU 
  • Kyle Long OT Oregon
  • Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame
  • Sharrif Floyd DT Florida
  • DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson
  • Sylvester Williams DE North Carolina
  • Travis Frederick C Wisconsin

Highest rated guy on the Dubsism Big Board who was not drafted:

  • Tony Jefferson S Oklahoma – 7th ranked safety, 88th overall

Guys who were not on the Dubsism Big Board who were drafted:

  • Round 1 , Pick 12 Overall Pick # 12 – D.J. Hayden CB Houston
  • Round 3 , Pick 7 Overall Pick # 69 – Tyrann Mathieu CB LSU 
  • Round 3 , Pick 18 Overall Pick # 80 – J.J. Wilcox S Georgia Southern
  • Round 3 , Pick 28 Overall Pick # 90 – Kayvon Webster CB South Florida
  • Round 3 , Pick 29 Overall Pick # 91 – Duran Harmon S Rutgers
  • Round 4 , Pick 4 Overall Pick # 101 – Ace Sanders WR South Carolina
  • Round 4 , Pick 11 Overall Pick # 108 – Edmund Kugbila OG Vadosta State
  • Round 5 , Pick 3 Overall Pick # 136 – Earl Wolff S North Carolina State
  • Round 5 , Pick 10 Overall Pick # 143 – Jonathan Meeks CB Clemson
  • Round 5 , Pick 14 Overall Pick # 147 – Steven Means DE Buffalo
  • Round 5 , Pick 19 Overall Pick # 152 – Cooper Taylor S Oklahoma State
  • Round 5 , Pick 22 Overall Pick # 155 – Jeff Locke P UCLA
  • Round 5 , Pick 25 Overall Pick # 158 – Luke Wilson TE Rice
  • Round 5 , Pick 32 Overall Pick # 165 – Sam Martin P Appalachian State
  • Round 5 , Pick 33 Overall Pick # 166 – Caleb Sturgis K Florida
  • Round 6 , Pick 2 Overall Pick # 170 – Eric Kush C California (PA)
  • Round 6 , Pick 3 Overall Pick # 171 – Corey Fuller WR Virginia Tech
  • Round 6 , Pick 5 Overall Pick # 173 – Vinston Painter OT Virginia Tech
  • Round 6 , Pick 7 Overall Pick # 175 – Jamoris Slaughter S Notre Dame
  • Round 6 , Pick 9 Overall Pick # 177 – Dustin Hopkins K Florida State
  • Round 6 , Pick 11 Overall Pick # 179 – Tourek Williams DE Florida International
  • Round 6 , Pick 12 Overall Pick # 180 – Nick Moody OLB Florida State
  • Round 6 , Pick 13 Overall Pick # 181 – Latavius Murray RB Central Florida
  • Round 6 , Pick 15 Overall Pick # 183 – Rufus Johnson DE Tarleton State
  • Round 6 , Pick 18 Overall Pick # 186 – Justin Brown WR Oklahoma 
  • Round 6 , Pick 21 Overall Pick # 189 – Mike James RB Miami (FL)
  • Round 6 , Pick 25 Overall Pick # 193 – Nate Palmer ILB Illinois State
  • Round 6 , Pick 27 Overall Pick # 195 – Alan Bonner WR Jacksonville State
  • Round 6 , Pick 33 Overall Pick # 201 – Ryan Griffin TE Connecticut
  • Round 6 , Pick 34 Overall Pick # 202 – Khalid Wooten CB Nevada
  • Round 6 , Pick 35 Overall Pick # 203 – Ryan Jensen OT Colorado State-Pueblo
  • Round 6 , Pick 37 Overall Pick # 205 – Stacy McGee DT Oklahoma 
  • Round 6 , Pick 38 Overall Pick # 206 – Vince Williams ILB Florida State
  • Round 7 , Pick 1 Overall Pick # 207 – Mike Catapano WR Princeton
  • Round 7 , Pick 2 Overall Pick # 208 – Jeremy Harris CB New Mexico State
  • Round 7 , Pick 3 Overall Pick # 209 – Brice Butler WR San Diego State
  • Round 7 , Pick 4 Overall Pick # 210 – Demetrius McCray CB Appalachian State
  • Round 7 , Pick 8 Overall Pick # 214 – Travis Bond OG North Carolina
  • Round 7 , Pick 9 Overall Pick # 215 – Tommy Bohanon FB Wake Forest
  • Round 7 , Pick 10 Overall Pick # 216 – Charles Johnson WR Grand Valley State
  • Round 7 , Pick 11 Overall Pick # 217 – Anthony Bryant DE East Cental Oklahoma
  • Round 7 , Pick 14 Overall Pick # 220 – Ryan Seymour OG Vanderbilt
  • Round 7 , Pick 17 Overall Pick # 223 – Nick Williams DT Samford
  • Round 7 , Pick 18 Overall Pick # 224 – Kevin Dorsey WR Maryland
  • Round 7 , Pick 19 Overall Pick # 225 – Eric Herman OG Ohio 
  • Round 7 , Pick 22 Overall Pick # 228 – Jawan Jamison RB Rutgers
  • Round 7 , Pick 25 Overall Pick # 231 – Ty Powell DE Harding
  • Round 7 , Pick 26 Overall Pick # 232 – Sam Barrignton ILB South Florida
  • Round 7 , Pick 29 Overall Pick # 235 – Steve Beauharris ILB Rutgers
  • Round 7 , Pick 31 Overall Pick # 237 – B.J. Daniels QB South Florida
  • Round 7 , Pick 36 Overall Pick # 242 – Michael Bowie OT Northeast Oklahoma State
  • Round 7 , Pick 37 Overall Pick # 243 – Kemal Ishmael CB Central Florida
  • Round 7 , Pick 39 Overall Pick # 245 – Brandon Hepburn ILB Florida A&M
  • Round 7 , Pick 40 Overall Pick # 246 – Carter Bylowski OT Iowa State
  • Round 7 , Pick 44 Overall Pick # 250 – Don Jones S Arkansas State
  • Round 7 , Pick 46 Overall Pick # 252 – Marcus Cooper CB Rutgers
  • Round 7 , Pick 47 Overall Pick # 253 – Micheal Cox RB Massachusetts
  • Round 7 , Pick 48 Overall Pick # 254 – Justice Cunningham TE South Carolina

To be honest, it’s a minor miracle that D.J Hayden is even alive after that chest injury and subsequent emergency open heart surgery. It’s a major miracle that he is a legitimate NFL player mere months after that near-death situation. We never saw that coming four months ago when the Big Board was created.

There’s also no accident that the Cardinals are a historically terrible NFL franchise, and they are the ones who wasted apick on Tyrann Mathieu. Even if they can keep from being another drug suspension waiting to happen, they intend to turn a 5’7″ guy who hasn’t seen a football field in almost two years into a free safety who…

A) …has no chance of supporting the run defense

B)… will never be able to cover a tight end coming across the middle

C)… is going to have to play pass defense in a league being populated with 6″3″ wide receivers and with much tighter rules than he’s ever played under

This is easily the worst pick in this entire draft.

Stats and Kinky Facts:

  • 254 Total Picks
  • 32 Compensatory picks
  • 87 Picks were traded

Picks by Position:

 

  • CB – 31
  • WR – 29
  • DE – 23
  • RB – 23
  • OT -22
  • S – 21
  • OLB – 19
  • DT -18
  • TE – 17
  • ILB -15
  • OG  – 13
  • QB – 11
  • C – 6
  • K – 2
  • FB – 2
  • P – 2

 

Picks by Conference/League  and School:

1) SEC – 63 

  • 9 LSU 
  • 9 Alabama
  • 8 Georgia
  • 8 Florida
  • 7 South Carolina
  • 5 Texas A&M
  • 4 Tennessee
  • 4 Arkansas
  • 3 Mississippi State
  • 2 Vanderbilt
  • 2 Missouri
  • 1 Kentucky
  • 1 Auburn

2) ACC – 31

  • 11 Florida State
  • 5 North Carolina
  • 4 Clemson
  • 3 North Carolina State
  • 2 Virginia Tech
  • 2 Miami (FL)
  • 1 Wake Forest
  • 1 Virginia
  • 1 Maryland
  • 1 Duke

3) Pac-12 – 28

  • 5 Oregon
  • 4 USC
  • 4 UCLA
  • 4 California
  • 3 Stanford
  • 2 Utah
  • 2 Oregon State
  • 2 Colorado
  • 1 Washington State
  • 1 Washington

4) Big 12 – 23

  • 6 Oklahoma 
  • 3 West Virginia
  • 3 Texas
  • 3 Kansas State
  • 2 TCU
  • 2 Oklahoma State
  • 2 Iowa State
  • 1 Kansas
  • 1 Baylor

5) Big Ten – 22

  • 4 Illinois
  • 3 Wisconsin
  • 3 Penn State
  • 3 Ohio State
  • 3 Michigan State
  • 2 Nebraska
  • 2 Michigan
  • 1 Purdue
  • 1 Iowa

6)  Big East – 19

  • 7 Rutgers
  • 5 Connecticut
  • 3 Syracuse
  • 3 South Florida
  • 1 Cincinnati

7) FCS – 16 

  • 2 Appalachian State
  • 1 William & Mary
  • 1 Tennessee-Martin
  • 1 Southern Utah
  • 1 Southeast Louisiana
  • 1 Samford
  • 1 Princeton
  • 1 New Hampshire
  • 1 James Madison
  • 1 Illinois State
  • 1 Harvard
  • 1 Georgia Southern
  • 1 Florida A&M
  • 1 Elon
  • 1 Cornell

8 ) D-II – 10

  • 1 Valdosta State
  • 1 Tarleton State
  • 1 Missouri Western
  • 1 Missouri Southern
  • 1 Jacksonville State
  • 1 Harding
  • 1 Grand Valley State
  • 1 Chadron State
  • 1 California (PA)
  • 1 Arkansas – Pine Bluff

9) MWC – 8 

  • 3 San Diego State
  • 2 Nevada
  • 1 New Mexico State
  • 1 Fresno State
  • 1 Boise State

10) C-USA – 8

  • 2 Rice
  • 2 Central Florida
  • 1 SMU
  • 1 Marshall
  • 1 Houston
  • 1 Southern Mississippi

11) MAC – 7

  • 1 Ohio 
  • 1 Miami (OH)
  • 1 Massachusetts
  • 1 Kent State
  • 1 Central Michigan
  • 1 Buffalo
  • 1 Bowling Green

12) Independent – 7

  • 6 Notre Dame
  • 1 BYU

13) WAC – 5 

  • 2 Utah State
  • 2 Louisiana Tech
  • 1 San Jose State

14) Sun Belt – 4

  • 2 Florida International
  • 1 Western Kentucky
  • 1 Arkansas State

15) D-III – 3

  • 1 Northeast Oklahoma State
  • 1 East Cental Oklahoma
  • 1 Colorado State-Pueblo

The Breakdown

1) Your Nominee for Guy Most Likely to go all “Ryan Leaf” on you (in other words, to be drafted early only to flame-out even earlier):

  • Dion Jordan DE, Oregon – taken by the Miami Dolphins with the #3 overall pick

Your Nominee for Guy Most likely to go all “Terrell Davis”  on you (in other words to be an impact player despite being drafted late):

  • Kenjon Barner, RB, Oregon, taken by the Panthers with the 14th pick in the 6th round (182nd overall pick)

Your Nominees for Guy Most likely to go all “Tom Brady”  on you (in other words, to be an impact player despite being a Compensatory Pick):

  • Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU, taken by the Houston Texans with the 33rd pick in the 3rd round (95th overall pick)

Last guy rated in our Top 64 to be drafted:

  • Zac Dysert, QB, Miami (OH) – ranked as our #3 QB, #47 player overall, taken by the Denver Broncos with the 28th pick in the 7th round

First guy not rated in our Top 15 at any position to be drafted:

  • D.J. Hayden, CB, Houston, taken by the Oakland Raiders with the 12th overall pick

Guy who had the Biggest Rise:

  • D.J. Hayden, CB, Houston, taken by the Oakland Raiders with the 12th overall pick

Guy Who Had The Biggest Fall:

  • Zac Dysert, QB, Miami (OH) – ranked as our #3 QB, #47 player overall, taken by the Denver Broncos with the 28th pick in the 7th round

The First Round, Pick by Pick

1) Kansas City Chiefs 

  • Biggest Needs: Quarterback, Defensive End, Inside Linebacker
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
  • What Dubsism Believed: The Chiefs are the most talented, yet lousy team in the NFL. The only won two games, but they had six Pro Bowlers. They couldn’t fill their biggest need with this pick; there simply isn’t a “franchise” quarterback in this draft, but they took care of that with the Alex Smith trade. I still thought they would trade down and stock-pile some picks, but protecting thier new quarterback isn’t a bad idea either.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan

2) Jacksonville Jaguars

  • Biggest Needs: Quarterback, Offensive Line, Linebacker
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
  • What Dubsism Believed: If for some reason, the Chiefs don’t take Luke Joeckel, Jacksonville has to grab him. Honestly, we didn’t really understand the plummet of Jarvis Jones, except for the fact people thought that neck issue might make him the next David Pollack. The Damontre Moore plunge wasn’t really a mystery after the combines.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M

3) Oakland Raiders (pick traded to Miami)

  • Biggest Needs: Quarterback, Cornerback, Defensive End
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
  • What Dubsism Believed:  Right now, the Raiders best corner is Michael Huff, a converted safety. This is one reason why the Raiders pass defense is pitiful. Another reason is the Raider pass rush could be on a milk carton; it’s been missing for years. This is why we thought the way to go was either to take either Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama or Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State, especially when Lotulelei fell due to his health issue. But as we will see shortly, the Raiders aren’t afraid of heart-related health problems.
  • What They Actually Did: Traded the pick to the Miami Dolphins, who used it to take Dion James, DE, Oregon.

4) Philadelphia Eagles

  • Biggest Needs: Cornerback, Linebacker, Offensive Line
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
  • What Dubsism Believed: The Nnamdi Asomugha and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie experiment was been a complete failure. DeMeco Ryan and Mychal Kendricks are solid linebackers, but they need another piece to be a complete unit. The offensive line is a mess, which is why I was convinced the Eagles would not address any of those issues.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma

5) Detroit Lions

  • Biggest Needs: Defensive End, Cornerback, Offensive Guard
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
  • What Dubsism Believed: The right side of the Detroit Lions’ offensive line has been the weak side, with the weakest link being veteran right guard Stephen Peterman. The 30-year-old was entering the final season of his contract, and here was a perfect opportunity for Detroit to upgrade with Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama.  The loss of Cliff Avril also meant the Motor City Kitties could have got some real value in a defensive end like Bjoern Werner or Damontre Moore.  Alabama CB Dee Milliner was also a realistic possibility here. To make a long story short, the Lions had a lot of choices, and you had to know they would make the wrong one. Even thought the Lions met a key need by taking a defensive end, the fact they took one so unproven makes this one of the weakest picks in the first round.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Ezekial Ansah, DE, BYU

6) Cleveland Browns 

  • Biggest Needs: Defensive End, Safety, Cornerback
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
  • What Dubsism Believed:  I said it before, and I’ll say it again. I was shocked that Werner was still on the board at this pick. I’m even more shocked the Browns passed on him considering their needs, but at least they helped their pass rush. .
  • What They Actually Did: Took Barkevious Mingo, OLB, LSU

7) Arizona Cardinals

  • Biggest Needs: Quarterback, Offensive Tackle, Cornerback
  • What the Kiper Thoery Said: Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Barkevious Mingo, OLB, LSU
  • What Dubsism Believed: The top tackles were already gone, there was no quarterback to take, and they must have been scared off of Dee Milliner’s shoulder. I can’t argue too hard about upgrading the offensive line.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina.5

8 ) Buffalo Bills (pick traded to St. Louis)

  • Biggest Needs: Linebacker, Quarterback, Wide Receiver
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Barkevious Mingo, OLB, LSU
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
  • What Dubsism Believed: The Bills have had one of the league’s least productive passing offenses, in large part due to the lack of progression from QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, who is now gone. but there was no quarterback to take here. Mingo was taken in the previous pick, and Ogletree fell down many boards. I think the bills did a smart thing by getting more picks rather than taking an over-rated Tavon Austin here.
  • What They Actually Did: Traded this pick to St. Louis, who used it to take Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia

9) New York Jets

  • Biggest Needs: Quarterback, Linebacker, Safety
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Says: Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
  • What Dubsism Believed: The best players on the board at this point are defensive linemen, which is actually one of the strengths the Jets have. There isn’t a solution to their quarterback problems in this draft, but this is exactly why I thought this was where the Geno Smith mistake was going to happen.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama

10) Tennessee Titans

  • Biggest Needs: Offensive Guard, Safety, Running Back
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Barkevious Mingo, OLB, LSU
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
  • What Dubsism Believed: Mike Munchak is head coach of the Titans. Mike Munchak has criticized the play of his offensive line. Mike Munchak is also a Hall-of-Fame offensive lineman.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama

11) San Diego Chargers

  • Biggest Needs: Offensive Line, Cornerback, Defensive Line
  • What the Kiper Theory Says: Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Says: Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon
  • What Dubsism Believes: The Chargers have a desperate need at guard, Cooper would have been the obvious choice except the Cardinals grabbed him at pick #7. But they still need help on teh offensiove front.
  • What They Actually Did: Took D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama

12) Miami Dolphins (pick traded to Oakland)

  • Biggest Needs: Wide Receiver, Cornerback, Offensive Tackle
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Cordarelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Keenan Allen, WR California
  • What Dubsism Believed: The Miami Dolphins drafted their franchise quarterback last season in Ryan Tannehill, but now they need to find him a go-to wide receiver. Brian Hartline and Davone Bess are solid possession receivers, but the Dolphins lack a down-field playmaker. That’s why I really don’t understand trading up to get a defensive end who was really a part-time player at Oregon.
  • What They Actually Did: Traded this pick to the Oakland Raiders, who used it to take D.J. Hayden, CB, Houston

13) Tampa Bay Buccaneers (pick traded to New York Jets)

  • Biggest Needs: Cornerback, Defensive Tackle, Safety
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Manti Te’o, ILB, Natre Dame
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
  • What Dubsism Believed: Richardson would have made a perfect partner on the Buccaneer defensive line for Gerald McCoy, but the Bucs used this pick as part of acquiring Derrelle Revis.
  • What They Actually Did: Traded the pick to the New York Jets, who used it to take Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri.

14) Carolina Panthers 

  • Biggest Needs: Defensive Tackle, Cornerback, Offensive Tackle
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama
  • What Dubsism Believed: They needed a solution for their offensive tackle problem immediately, but the best options for that were gone. They just couldn’t pass on the opportunity to make the best pick of the first round by grabbing a top-three talent this far down the board.
  • What They Actually Did:  Took Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
15) New Orleans Saints
  • Biggest Needs: Linebascker, Cornerback, Defensive End
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Sharif  Floyd, DT, Florida
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State
  • What Dubsism Believed: The Saints need help on the defensive side of the ball, period.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas

16) St. Louis Rams (pick traded to Buffalo)

  • Biggest Needs: Offensive Tackle, Safety, Linebacker
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
  • What Dubsism Believed: Once the Jets passed on Geno Smith twice, it was clear the talk of him going in the first round was over, because even though it seemed likely the Bills would use this pick on a quarterback, Smith’s name consistently was not amongst those rumored to be shuffling off to Buffalo.
  • What They Actually Did: Traded this pick to the Buffalo Bills, who used it to select E.J. Manuel, QB, Florida State

17) Pittsburgh Steelers

  • Biggest Needs: Running Back, Linebacker, Offensive Line
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Says: Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas
  • What Dubsism Believed: The Steelers have a long tradition of taking the top player on the board, and since they love defense, it was easy to see them taking Ansah or Vaccaro, but both of them were gone by this pick. That’s why they could not ignore Jarvis Jones.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia

18 ) Dallas Cowboys (pick traded to San Francisco)

  • Biggest Needs: Offensive Line, Offensive Line, Offensive Line
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Kevin Minter, ILB, LSU
  • What Dubsism Believed:  Trading this pick was the smartest thing the Cowboys could have done. Originally, I thought they should have traded up to Kansas City’s #1 pick by offering QB Kyle Orton and picks to get Luke Joeckel.  But now that the the prime o-line beef is gone, trading down makes perfect sense.
  • What They Actually Did: Traded the pick to the San Francisco 49ers, who used it to take Eric Reid, S, LSU

19) New York Giants

  • Biggest Needs: Offensive Line, Linebacker, Cornerback
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford
  • What Dubsism Believes: To be blunt, the Giants offensive line sucks. The Giants have no choice but to draft offensive linemen, and they must take the best one still on the board at this pick. The problem is that the ones worthy of a first-round pick, except for Barrett Jones, C, Alabama, are likely going to be gone by this point, and the Giants really need tackles and guards.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Justin Pugh, OT, Syracuse

20) Chicago Bears

  • Biggest Needs: Offensive Tackle, Offensive Guard, Tight End
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Cordarelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee
  • What Dubsism Believed: The Bears offensive line needs are so desperate that the whole world has to know what they must to do. Having said that, I wasn’t surprised to see the Bears make one of the worst picks of the first round.
  • What They Actually Did: Took  Kyle Long, OT, Oregon

21) Cincinnati Bengals 

  • Biggest Needs: Linebacker, Safety, Center
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Jonathan Jenkins, DT, Georgia
  • What Dubsism Believed: At first, it seemed that the Bengals had a rare choice to get the best guy at two of the positions where they need help. Vaccaro was the best safety on both the Kiper and Dubsism boards, but he didn’t make it this far. Alabama’s Barrett Jones is a two-time All-American center who could could fit nicely in this slot, but the Bengals went for more weapons on offense.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame

22) St. Louis Rams (pick traded to the Atlanta Falcons via the Washington Redskins)

  • Biggest Needs:  Offensive Tackle, Safety, Linebacker
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Keenan Allen, WR, California
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Johnathan Banks, CB, Mississppi State
  • What Dubsism Believed: This is the pick from the RGIII trade last season. The Rams already got their wide receiver at the #8 pick,  so it made sense to deal this pick. The Falcons needed help in the defensive secondary, so this was a good spot to get Desmond Trufant.
  • What They Actually Did: Traded this pick to the Washington Redskins, who traded ti to the Atlanta Falcons, who used it to take Desmond Trufant, BS, Washington

23) Minnesota Vikings

  • Biggest Needs: Wide Receiver, Defensive Tackle, Inside Linebacker
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Sylvester Williams, DE, North Carolina
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Datone Jones, DE, UCLA
  • What Dubsism Believed: The Vikings had to replace Percy Harvin, they needed a big defensive tackle, and it was a popular thought that this could be where the Manti Te’o mistake would be made.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida

24) Indianapolis Colts

  • Biggest Needs: Offensive Line, Cornerback, Wide Receiver
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Johnathan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma
  • What Dubsism Believed:  While it is true that with the exception of Anthoiny Castonzo, Indianapolis could use an upgrade at each offensive line position, the simply could not pass on the opportunity to get a top defensive lineman.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State

25) Seattle Seahawks (pick traded to Minnesota)

  • Biggest Needs: Wide Receiver, Offensive Line
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
  • What Dubsism Believed:  The Seahawks got their receiver (Percy Harvin) by trading this pick.
  • What They Actually Did: Traded this pick to the Mionnesota Vikings who used it to take Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State

26) Green Bay Packers

  • Biggest Needs: Offensive Tackle (particulary a left tackle), Cornerback, Safety
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU
  • What Dubsism Believed: The Packers really had to hope there would be a guy at a position they needed to fall this far. That didn’t really happen, so after the failure to get a running back in free agency, I thought for sure that Eddie Lacy would go with this pick.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Datone Jones, DE, UCLA

27) Houston Texans

  • Biggest Needs: Offensive Tackle, Cornerback, Wide Receiver
  • What the Kiper Theory Says: Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Says: Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina
  • What Dubsism Believes: Upon further review, you know this is the early pick Kiper would love to have back. Quinton Patton proved himself to not be a first-rounder, and luckily for Texans, several other guys emerged in perfect position to be taken at this pick.
  • What They Actually Did: Took DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson

28) Denver Broncos

  • Biggest Needs: Defensive Tackle, Defensive End, Cornerback
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Kawaan Short. DT, Purdue
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Barrett Jones, C, Alabama
  • What Dubsism Believed: Kiper was higher on Short than I am, but then again, I live in Purdue country and saw every one of Short’s games. On one hand, he could easily be that “Vince Wilfork”-style immovable object in the middle of the d-line.  But on the other hand, he could be the guy who commits to IHOP and eats his way out of the league. Jonathan Jenkins, DT, Georgia, is a safer pick here.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Sylvester Williams, DE, North Carolina

29) New England Patriots (pick traded to Minnesota)

  • Biggest Needs: Wide Receiver, Linebacker, Secondary
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Matt Elam, S, Florida
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
  • What Dubsism Believed: Nobody ought to really be surprised by the Patriots trading down yet again, especially since they need receivers and I don’t think they wanted to take the guy who the Vikings coveted in this spot.
  • What They Actually Did: Traded this pick to Minnesota who used it to take Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee

30) Atlanta Falcons (pick traded to St. Louis)

  • Biggest Needs: Tight End, Defensive Tackle, Running Back
  • What the Kiper Thoery Said: Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame
  • What the Dubsism Big Board Said: Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas
  • What Dubsism Believed: The Falcons moved up from this sport, and while they didn’t address a crucial need, they did get a good pick. The Rams continued to meet needs in this spot by grabbing a linebacker.
  • What They Actually Did: Traded this pick to St. Louis, who used it to take Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia

31) San Francisco 49ers (pick traded to Dallas)

  • Biggest Needs: Defensive Line, Bench depth in general
  • What the Kiper Theory Said:  Jonathan Jenkins, DT, Georgia
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington
  • What Dubsism Believed: Much like the Falcons, the 49ers didn’t meet an immediate need when they traded up, but they still got a good player. The Cowboys used this pick to address their biggest need.
  • What They Actually Did: Traded this pick to the Dallas Cowboys, who used it to take Travis Frederick, C, Wisconsin

32) Baltimore Ravens

  • Biggest Needs: Inside Linebacker, Safety, Cornerback
  • What the Kiper Theory Said: Kevin Minter, ILB, LSU
  • What The Dubsism Big Board Said: Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia
  • What Dubsism Believed: There’s no way the Ravens would have taken an offensive player in the first round, considering they likely have to replace Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Paul Kruger.
  • What They Actually Did: Took Matt Elam, S, Florida

Complete Draft Analysis With The Dubsism Draft Quotient

The Dubsism Draft Quotient (DDQ) is a proprietary formula used by the research staff here at Dubsism to more accurately rate a team’s performance in a draft as opposed to the “crystal ball approach” of how a certain player is going to perform in the NFL, or the ego-centric “Kiper/McShay” approach which is more centered on simply appearing to know more than anybody else.

Rather, the Dubsism Draft Quotient is based on three key factors:

  • Ranking eligible players by overall proven skills that are most likely to translate to the NFL from the college game, then by ranking those players by position
  • A team’s understanding of the needs they have which could be filled via the draft
  • A team’s understanding of balancing positional needs vs. getting maximum value in a particular draft position

The simplest way to understand the DDQ is to remember that a rating of 1.00 represents the “ideal” pick; in other words, taking the best player who meets one of your biggest needs at the correct spot in the draft. This is because 1.00 is the best score one can get with the first overall pick. From there, scores higher than 1.00 are possible depending on the player’s ranking, when they are picked, and a team’s needs. Conversely, scores lower than 1.00 are also possible. The higher the score, the better the pick is rated according to current knowledge.

The one catch is that while 1.00 is an ideal score for an individual pick, it is not a good score for an overall draft. This is because the DDQ rewards teams the understand the “value pick;” taking the player who may have slipped on other draft boards because of the general witchcraft the NFL Draft process has become. On the other hand, it also punished the “over-traders” and the “reachers.”

Having said that, here’s how we rated each team’s performance.

1) New York Giants

  • Giants Round 1 , Pick 19 , Overall Pick # 19 – Justin Pugh OT Syracuse 1.04 
  • Giants Round 2 , Pick 17 , Overall Pick # 49 – Johnathan Hankins DT Ohio State 5.44 
  • Giants Round 3 , Pick 19 , Overall Pick # 81 – Damontre Moore DE Texas A&M 3.50 
  • Giants Round 4 , Pick 13 , Overall Pick # 110 (from San Diego via Arizona) – Ryan Nassib QB Syracuse 1.21 
  • Giants Round 5 , Pick 19 , Overall Pick # 152 – Cooper Taylor S Oklahoma State 0.44 
  • Giants Round 7 , Pick 19 , Overall Pick # 225 – Eric Herman OG Ohio 1.35 
  • Giants Round 7 , Pick 47 , Overall Pick # 253 (Compensatory Pick) – Micheal Cox RB Massachusetts 0.73

Total Picks 7 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 3.39

2) Carolina Panthers

  • Panthers Round 1 , Pick 14 , Overall Pick # 14 – Star Lotulelei DT Utah 5.37 
  • Panthers Round 2 , Pick 12 , Overall Pick # 44 – Kawann Short DT Purdue 1.47 
  • Panthers Round 4 , Pick 11 , Overall Pick # 108 – Edmund Kugbila OG  0.81 
  • Panthers Round 5 , Pick 15 , Overall Pick # 148 – A.J. Klein ILB 0.60 
  • Panthers Round 6 , Pick 14 , Overall Pick # 182 – Kenjon Barner RB 2.30 

Total Picks 5  – Dubsism Draft Quotient 2.06

3) San Diego Chargers

  • Chargers Round 1 , Pick 11 , Overall Pick # 11 – D.J. Fluker OT Alabama 1.49 
  • Chargers Round 2 , Pick 6 , Overall Pick # 38 (from Arizona) – Manti Te’o ILB Notre Dame 0.55 
  • Chargers Round 3 , Pick 14 , Overall Pick # 76 – Keenan Allen WR California 6.33 
  • Chargers Round 5 , Pick 12 , Overall Pick # 145 – Steve Williams CB California 1.25 
  • Chargers Round 6 , Pick 11 , Overall Pick # 179 – Tourek Williams DE Florida International 1.22 
  • Chargers Round 7 , Pick 15 , Overall Pick # 221 – Brad Sorensen QB Southern Utah 0.72

Total Picks 6 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.93

4) Pittsburgh Steelers

  • Steelers Round 1 , Pick 17 , Overall Pick # 17 – Jarvis Jones OLB 9.25 
  • Steelers Round 2 , Pick 16 , Overall Pick # 48 – Le’Veon Bell RB Michigan State 1.00 
  • Steelers Round 3 , Pick 17 , Overall Pick # 79 – Markus Wheaton WR Oregon State 0.76 
  • Steelers Round 4 , Pick 14 , Overall Pick # 111 (from Miami via Cleveland) – Shamarko Thomas S Syracuse 0.41 
  • Steelers Round 4 , Pick 18 , Overall Pick # 115 – Landry Jones QB Oklahoma 1.37 
  • Steelers Round 5 , Pick 17 , Overall Pick # 150 (from Indianapolis) – Terry Hawthorne CB Illinois 0.67 
  • Steelers Round 6 , Pick 18 , Overall Pick # 186 – Justin Brown WR Oklahoma 0.54 
  • Steelers Round 6 , Pick 38 , Overall Pick # 206 (Compensatory Pick) – Vince Williams ILB Florida State 1.29 
  • Steelers Round 7 , Pick 17 , Overall Pick # 223 – Nick Williams DT Samford 0.64

Total Picks 9 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.91

5) Indianapolis Colts

  • Colts Round 1 , Pick 24 , Overall Pick # 24 – Bjoern Werner DE Florida State 6.00 
  • Colts Round 3 , Pick 24 , Overall Pick # 86 – Hugh Thornton OG Illinois 1.27 
  • Colts Round 4 , Pick 24 , Overall Pick # 121 – Khaled Holmes C USC  1.53 
  • Colts Round 5 , Pick 6 , Overall Pick # 139 (from Cleveland) – Montori Hughes DT Tennessee-Martin 0.78 
  • Colts Round 6 , Pick 24 , Overall Pick # 192 – John Boyett S Oregon 1.31 
  • Colts Round 7 , Pick 24 , Overall Pick # 230 – Kerwynn Williams RB Utah State 1.54 
  • Colts Round 7 , Pick 48 , Overall Pick # 254 (Compensatory Pick) – Justice Cunningham TE South Carolina 0.73

Total Picks 7 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.88

6) New England Patriots

  • Patriots Round 2 , Pick 20 , Overall Pick # 52 (from Minnesota) – Jamie Collins OLB Southern Mississippi 1.23 
  • Patriots Round 2 , Pick 27 , Overall Pick # 59 – Aaron Dobson WR Marshall 1.64 
  • Patriots Round 3 , Pick 21 , Overall Pick # 83 (from Minnesota) – Logan Ryan CB Rutgers 1.91 
  • Patriots Round 3 , Pick 29 , Overall Pick # 91 – Duran Harmon S Rutgers 0.76 
  • Patriots Round 4 , Pick 5 , Overall Pick # 102 (from Detroit via Minnesota) – Josh Boyce WR TCU 1.51 
  • Patriots Round 7 , Pick 20 , Overall Pick # 226 (from Chicago via Tampa Bay) – Michael Buchanan OLB Illinois 4.40 
  • Patriots Round 7 , Pick 29 , Overall Pick # 235 – Steve Beauharris ILB Rutgers 1.18 

Total Picks 7 –  Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.80

7) Tampa Bay Buccaneers

  • Buccaneers Round 2 , Pick 11 , Overall Pick # 43 – Johnathan Banks CB Mississippi State 2.65 
  • Buccaneers Round 3 , Pick 11 , Overall Pick # 73 – Mike Glennon QB North Carolina State  1.09 
  • Buccaneers Round 4 , Pick 3 , Overall Pick # 100 (from Oakland) – Akeem Spence DT Illinois 1.70 
  • Buccaneers Round 4 , Pick 29 , Overall Pick # 126 (from New England) – William Gholston DE Michigan State 3.65 
  • Buccaneers Round 5 , Pick 14 , Overall Pick # 147 – Steven Means DE Buffalo MAC  0.92 
  • Buccaneers Round 6 , Pick 21 , Overall Pick # 189 (from Minnesota) – Mike James RB Miami (FL) ACC 0.54 

Total Picks 6 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.76

8 -Tie) New Orleans Saints

  • Saints Round 1 , Pick 15 , Overall Pick # 15 – Kenny Vaccaro S Texas 1.38 
  • Saints Round 3 , Pick 13 , Overall Pick # 75 – Terron Armstead OT Arkansas – Pine Bluff  0.36 
  • Saints Round 3 , Pick 20 , Overall Pick # 82 (from Chicago via Miami) – Jonathan Jenkins DT Georgia4.20 
  • Saints Round 5 , Pick 11 , Overall Pick # 144 – Kenny Stills WR Oklahoma  1.31 
  • Saints Round 6 , Pick 15 , Overall Pick # 183 – Rufus Johnson DE Tarleton State 1.23

Total Picks 5 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.70

8 -Tie) New York Jets

  • Jets Round 1 , Pick 9 , Overall Pick # 9 – Dee Milliner CB Alabama 1.69 
  • Jets Round 1 , Pick 13 , Overall Pick # 13 (from Tampa Bay) – Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri 1.00 
  • Jets Round 2 , Pick 7 , Overall Pick # 39 – Geno Smith QB West Virginia 3.04 
  • Jets Round 3 , Pick 10 , Overall Pick # 72 – Brian Winters OT Kent State 0.74 
  • Jets Round 5 , Pick 8 , Overall Pick # 141 – Oday Aboushi OT Virginia 2.44 
  • Jets Round 6 , Pick 10 , Overall Pick # 178 – William Campbell OG Michigan 1.28 
  • Jets Round 7 , Pick 9 , Overall Pick # 215 – Tommy Bohanon FB Wake Forest 0.62 

Total Picks 7 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.70

9) Denver Broncos

  • Broncos Round 1 , Pick 28 , Overall Pick # 28 – Sylvester Williams DE North Carolina 1.28 
  • Broncos Round 2 , Pick 26 , Overall Pick # 58 – Montee Ball RB Wisconsin 0.70 
  • Broncos Round 3 , Pick 28 , Overall Pick # 90 – Kayvon Webster CB South Florida  0.76 
  • Broncos Round 5 , Pick 13 , Overall Pick # 146 (from Miami via Green Bay) – Quanterus Smith OLB Western Kentucky  0.57 
  • Broncos Round 5 , Pick 28 , Overall Pick # 161 – Tavarres King WR Georgia 2.98 
  • Broncos Round 6 , Pick 5 , Overall Pick # 173 (from Philadelphia via Cleveland, San Francisco, and Green Bay) – Vinston Painter OT Virginia Tech  0.50 
  • Broncos Round 7 , Pick 28 , Overall Pick # 234 – Zac Dysert QB Miami (OH) 4.98 

Total Picks 7 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.68

10) Philadelphia Eagles

  • Eagles Round 1 , Pick 4 , Overall Pick # 4 – Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma 0.87 
  • Eagles Round 2 , Pick 3 , Overall Pick # 35 – Zach Ertz TE Stanford 1.84 
  • Eagles Round 3 , Pick 5 , Overall Pick # 67 – Bennie Logan DT LSU  0.48 
  • Eagles Round 4 , Pick 1 , Overall Pick # 98 (from Jacksonville) – Matt Barkley QB USC 1.75 
  • Eagles Round 5 , Pick 3 , Overall Pick # 136 – Earl Wolff S North Carolina State 0.39 
  • Eagles Round 7 , Pick 6 , Overall Pick # 212 (from Cleveland) – Joe Kruger DE Utah 1.28 
  • Eagles Round 7 , Pick 12 , Overall Pick # 218 (from Tampa Bay) – Jordan Poyer CB Oregon State 5.89 
  • Eagles Round 7 , Pick 33 , Overall Pick # 239 (Compensatory Pick) – David King DE Oklahoma  0.79 

Total Picks 8 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.66

11) Arizona Cardinals

  • Cardinals Round 1 , Pick 7 , Overall Pick # 7 – Jonathan Cooper OG North Carolina 0.86 
  • Cardinals Round 2 , Pick 13 , Overall Pick # 45 (from San Diego) – Kevin Minter ILB LSU 2.50 
  • Cardinals Round 3 , Pick 7 , Overall Pick # 69 – Tyrann Mathieu CB LSU 0.50 
  • Cardinals Round 4 , Pick 6 , Overall Pick # 103 – Alex Okafor OLB Texas 2.29 
  • Cardinals Round 4 , Pick 19 , Overall Pick # 116 (from New York Giants) – Earl Watford OG James Madison  0.84 
  • Cardinals Round 5 , Pick 7 , Overall Pick # 140 – Stepfan Taylor RB Stanford 1.63 
  • Cardinals Round 6 , Pick 6 , Overall Pick # 174 – Ryan Swope WR Texas A&M 1.33 
  • Cardinals Round 6 , Pick 19 , Overall Pick # 187 (from New York Giants) – Andre Ellington RB Clemson 2.92 
  • Cardinals Round 7 , Pick 13 , Overall Pick # 219 (from Carolina via Oakland) – D.C. Jefferson TE Rutgers 1.07 

Total Picks 9 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.55

12) Minnesota Vikings

  • Vikings Round 1 , Pick 23 , Overall Pick # 23 – Sharrif Floyd DT Florida 1.39 
  • Vikings Round 1 , Pick 25 , Overall Pick # 25 (from Seattle) – Xavier Rhodes CB Florida State 1.67 
  • Vikings Round 1 , Pick 29 , Overall Pick # 29 (from New England) – Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee 1.85 
  • Vikings Round 4 , Pick 23 , Overall Pick # 120 – Gerald Hodges OLB Penn State 1.40 
  • Vikings Round 5 , Pick 22 , Overall Pick # 155 (from New England) – Jeff Locke P UCLA Pac-12  0.45 
  • Vikings Round 6 , Pick 28 , Overall Pick # 196 (from Denver via Philadelphia and Tampa Bay) – Jeff Baca OG UCLA 0.91 
  • Vikings Round 7 , Pick 7 , Overall Pick # 213 (from Arizona) – Michael Mauti ILB Penn State 2.38 
  • Vikings Round 7 , Pick 8 , Overall Pick # 214 (from Buffalo via Seattle) – Travis Bond OG North Carolina 0.92 
  • Vikings Round 7 , Pick 23 , Overall Pick # 229 (from Minnesota via New England and Tampa Bay) – Everett Dawkins DT Florida State 2.55 

Total Picks 9 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.50

13) St. Louis Rams

  • Rams Round 1 , Pick 8 , Overall Pick # 8 (from Buffalo) – Tavon Austin WR West Virginia 0.25 
  • Rams Round 1 , Pick 30 , Overall Pick # 30 (from Atlanta) – Alec Ogletree ILB Georgia 1.90 
  • Rams Round 3 , Pick 9 , Overall Pick # 71 (From Buffalo) – T.J. McDonald S USC 1.30 
  • Rams Round 3 , Pick 30 , Overall Pick # 92 (from Atlanta) – Stedman Bailey WR West Virginia 1.12 
  • Rams Round 4 , Pick 16 , Overall Pick # 113 – Barrett Jones C Alabama 4.34 
  • Rams Round 5 , Pick 16 , Overall Pick # 149 – Brandon McGee CB Miami (FL)  0.61 
  • Rams Round 5 , Pick 27 , Overall Pick # 160 (from Houston) – Zac Stacy RB Vanderbilt 0.67 

Total Picks 7 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.46

14) Washington Redskins

  • Redskins Round 2 , Pick 19 , Overall Pick # 51 – David Amerson CB North Carolina State 1.05 
  • Redskins Round 3 , Pick 23 , Overall Pick # 85 – Jordan Reed TE Florida 1.00 
  • Redskins Round 4 , Pick 22 , Overall Pick # 119 – Phillip Thomas S Fresno State 1.95 
  • Redskins Round 5 , Pick 21 , Overall Pick # 154 – Chris Thompson RB Florida State 0.54 
  • Redskins Round 5 , Pick 29 , Overall Pick # 162 (from New England) – Brandon Jenkins OLB Florida State 1.69 
  • Redskins Round 6 , Pick 23 , Overall Pick # 191 – Bacarri Rambo S Georgia 2.27 
  • Redskins Round 7 , Pick 22 , Overall Pick # 228 – Jawan Jamison RB Rutgers  0.66 

Total Picks 7 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.42 

15) Houston Texans

  • Texans Round 1 , Pick 27 , Overall Pick # 27 – DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson 1.23 
  • Texans Round 2 , Pick 25 , Overall Pick # 57 – D.J. Swearinger S South Carolina  0.42 
  • Texans Round 3 , Pick 27 , Overall Pick # 89 – Brennan Williams OT North Carolina  1.70 
  • Texans Round 3 , Pick 33 , Overall Pick # 95 (Compensatory Pick) – Sam Montgomery DE LSU 3.65 
  • Texans Round 4 , Pick 27 , Overall Pick # 124 – Trevardo Williams OLB Connecticut 0.70 
  • Texans Round 6 , Pick 8 , Overall Pick # 176 (from Tennessee via, Minnesota, Arizona, and Oakland) – David Quessenberry OT San Jose State 2.48 
  • Texans Round 6 , Pick 27 , Overall Pick # 195 – Alan Bonner WR Jacksonville State 0.56 
  • Texans Round 6 , Pick 30 , Overall Pick # 198 ((from Atlanta via St. Louis) – Chris Jones DT Bowling Green 0.61 
  • Texans Round 6 , Pick 33 , Overall Pick # 201 (Compensatory Pick) – Ryan Griffin TE Connecticut 0.88 

Total Picks 9  – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.36

16) Chicago Bears

  • Bears Round 1 , Pick 20 , Overall Pick # 20 – Kyle Long OT Oregon  0.83 
  • Bears Round 2 , Pick 18 , Overall Pick # 50 – Jonathan Bostic ILB Florida 0.74 
  • Bears Round 4 , Pick 20 , Overall Pick # 117 – Khaseem Greene OLB Rutgers 2.43 
  • Bears Round 5 , Pick 30 , Overall Pick # 163 (from Atlanta) – Jordan Mills OT Louisiana Tech 1.25 
  • Bears Round 6 , Pick 20 , Overall Pick # 188 – Cornelius Washington OLB Georgia 1.51 
  • Bears Round 7 , Pick 30 , Overall Pick # 236 (from Atalnta) – Marquess Wilson WR Washington State 1.33 

Total Picks 6 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.35

17) Atlanta Falcons

  • Falcons Round 1 , Pick 22 , Overall Pick # 22 (from Washington via St. Louis) – Desmond Trufant CB Washington 1.41 
  • Falcons Round 2 , Pick 28 , Overall Pick # 60 – Robert Alford CB Southeast Louisiana 1.37 
  • Falcons Round 4 , Pick 30 , Overall Pick # 127 – Malliciah Goodman DE Clemson 1.81 
  • Falcons Round 4 , Pick 36 , Overall Pick # 133 (Compensatory Pick) – Levine Toilolo TE Stanford 1.29 
  • Falcons Round 5 , Pick 20 , Overall Pick # 153 (from Chicago) – Stansly Maponga DE TCU 1.06 
  • Falcons Round 7 , Pick 37 , Overall Pick # 243 (Compensatory Pick) – Kemal Ishmael CB Central Florida C-USA 1.40 
  • Falcons Round 7 , Pick 38 , Overall Pick # 244 (Compensatory Pick) – Zeke Motta S Notre Dame 1.41 
  • Falcons Round 7 , Pick 43 , Overall Pick # 249 (Compensatory Pick) – Sean Renfree QB Duke 0.80 

Total Picks 8  – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.32

18) Seattle Seahawks

  • Seahawks Round 3 , Pick 25 , Overall Pick # 87 – Jordan Hill DT Penn State 0.61 
  • Seahawks Round 4 , Pick 26 , Overall Pick # 123 – Chris Harper WR Kansas State 1.76 
  • Seahawks Round 5 , Pick 4 , Overall Pick # 137 (from Detroit) – Jesse Williams DT Alabama  3.61 
  • Seahawks Round 5 , Pick 5 , Overall Pick # 138 (from Oakland) – Tharold Simon CB LSU 1.18 
  • Seahawks Round 5 , Pick 25 , Overall Pick # 158 – Luke Wilson TE Rice C-USA 0.76 
  • Seahawks Round 6 , Pick 26 , Overall Pick # 194 – Spencer Ware RB LSU 0.70 
  • Seahawks Round 7 , Pick 14 , Overall Pick # 220 (from New Orleans) – Ryan Seymour OG Vanderbilt 1.33 
  • Seahawks Round 7 , Pick 25 , Overall Pick # 231 – Ty Powell DE Harding 0.67 
  • Seahawks Round 7 , Pick 35 , Overall Pick # 241 (Compensatory Pick) – Jared Smith DT New Hampshire 0.97 
  • Seahawks Round 7 , Pick 36 , Overall Pick # 242 (Compensatory Pick) – Michael Bowie OT Northeast Oklahoma State 1.40 

Total Picks 10 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.30

19 – Tie) Baltimore Ravens

  • Ravens Round 1 , Pick 32 , Overall Pick # 32 – Matt Elam S Florida 1.35 
  • Ravens Round 2 , Pick 24 , Overall Pick # 56 (from Seattle) – Arthur Brown ILB Kansas State 2.00 
  • Ravens Round 2 , Pick 30 , Overall Pick # 62 – Christine Michael RB Texas A&M 0.51 
  • Ravens Round 3 , Pick 32 , Overall Pick # 94 – Brandon Williams DT Missouri Southern 1.19 
  • Ravens Round 4 , Pick 32 , Overall Pick # 129 – John Simon DE Ohio State 1.62 
  • Ravens Round 4 , Pick 33 , Overall Pick # 130 (Compensatory Pick) – Kyle Juszczyk TE Harvard 0.59 
  • Ravens Round 5 , Pick 35 , Overall Pick # 168 (Compensatory Pick) – Ricky Wagner OT Wisconsin 1.04 
  • Ravens Round 6 , Pick 32 , Overall Pick # 200 – Kapron Lewis-Moore DE Notre Dame 1.02 
  • Ravens Round 6 , Pick 35 , Overall Pick # 203 (Compensatory Pick) – Ryan Jensen OT Colorado State-Pueblo0.59 
  • Ravens Round 7 , Pick 32 , Overall Pick # 238 – Aaron Mellette WR Elon 1.16 
  • Ravens Round 7 , Pick 41 , Overall Pick # 247 (Compensatory Pick) – Marc Anthony CB California 1.90 

Total Picks 11 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.18 

19 – Tie) Tennessee Titans

  • Titans Round 1 , Pick 10 , Overall Pick # 10 – Chance Warmack OG Alabama 1.70 
  • Titans Round 2 , Pick 2 , Overall Pick # 34 (from Kansas City via San Francisco) – Justin Hunter WR Tennessee 1.17 
  • Titans Round 3 , Pick 8 , Overall Pick # 70 – Blidi Wreh-Wilson CB Connecticut 0.93 
  • Titans Round 3 , Pick 35 , Overall Pick # 97 (Compensatory Pick) – Zaviar Gooden OLB Missouri  0.57 
  • Titans Round 4 , Pick 10 , Overall Pick # 107 – Brian Schwenke C California 1.24 
  • Titans Round 5 , Pick 9 , Overall Pick # 142 – Lavar Edwards DE LSU 1.11 
  • Titans Round 6 , Pick 34 , Overall Pick # 202 (Compensatory Pick) – Khalid Wooten CB Nevada 0.88 
  • Titans Round 7 , Pick 42 , Overall Pick # 248 (Compensatory Pick) – Daimion Stafford S Nebraska 1.82 

Total Picks 8 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.18

20) Miami Dolphins

  • Dolphins Round 1 , Pick 3 , Overall Pick # 3 (from Oakland) – Dion Jordan DE Oregon 0.27 
  • Dolphins Round 2 , Pick 22 , Overall Pick # 54 (from Indianapolis) – Jamar Taylor CB Boise State 1.76 
  • Dolphins Round 3 , Pick 15 , Overall Pick # 77 – Dallas Thomas OT Tennessee 1.43 
  • Dolphins Round 3 , Pick 31 , Overall Pick # 93 (from San Francisco via Green Bay) – Will Davis CB Utah State 1.85 
  • Dolphins Round 4 , Pick 7 , Overall Pick # 104 (from Cleveland) – Jelani Jenkins OLB Florida 0.65 
  • Dolphins Round 4 , Pick 9 , Overall Pick # 106 (from New York Jets via Cleveland) – Dion Sims TE Michigan State 1.10 
  • Dolphins Round 5 , Pick 31 , Overall Pick # 164 (from San Francisco via Cleveland) – Mike Gillislee RB Florida 1.73 
  • Dolphins Round 5 , Pick 33 , Overall Pick # 166 (Compensatory Pick) – Caleb Sturgis K Florida  0.48 
  • Dolphins Round 7 , Pick 44 , Overall Pick # 250 (Compensatory Pick) – Don Jones S Arkansas State 1.02 

Total Picks 9 Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.14

21 -Tie) Cincinnati Bengals

  • Bengals Round 1 , Pick 21 , Overall Pick # 21 – Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame 0.62 
  • Bengals Round 2 , Pick 5 , Overall Pick # 37 (from Oakland) – Giovani Bernard RB 1.12 
  • Bengals Round 2 , Pick 21 , Overall Pick # 53 – Margus Hunt DE 1.18 
  • Bengals Round 3 , Pick 22 , Overall Pick # 84 – Shawn Williams S Georgia 1.79 
  • Bengals Round 4 , Pick 21 , Overall Pick # 118 – Sean Porter ILB Texas A&M 2.29 
  • Bengals Round 5 , Pick 23 , Overall Pick # 156 – Tanner Hawkinson OT Kansas 0.47 
  • Bengals Round 6 , Pick 22 , Overall Pick # 190 (from New England) – Rex Burkhead RB Nebraska 0.78 
  • Bengals Round 6 , Pick 29 , Overall Pick # 197 (from New England) – Cobi Hamilton WR Arkansas 1.18 
  • Bengals Round 7 , Pick 34 , Overall Pick # 240 (Compensatory Pick) – Reid Fragel OT Ohio State 1.01 
  • Bengals Round 7 , Pick 45 , Overall Pick # 251 (Compensatory Pick) – T.J. Johnson C South Carolina SEC 10 293 0.86

Total Picks 10 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.13

21 – Tie) Cleveland Browns

  • Browns Round 1 , Pick 6 , Overall Pick # 6 – Barkevious Mingo OLB LSU 1.25 
  • Browns Round 3 , Pick 6 , Overall Pick # 68 – Leon McFadden CB San Diego State 1.42 
  • Browns Round 6 , Pick 7 , Overall Pick # 175 – Jamoris Slaughter S Notre Dame Independent 0.80 
  • Browns Round 7 , Pick 11 , Overall Pick # 217 (from Miami) – Anthony Bryant DE East Central Oklahoma  1.33 
  • Browns Round 7 , Pick 21 , Overall Pick # 227 (from Cincinnati via San Francisco) – Garrett Gilkey OT 0.86

Total Picks 5 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.13

21 – Tie) Green Bay Packers

  • Packers Round 1 , Pick 26 , Overall Pick # 26 – Datone Jones DE UCLA 1.13 
  • Packers Round 2 , Pick 29 , Overall Pick # 61 (from San Francisco) – Eddie Lacy RB Alabama  2.24 
  • Packers Round 4 , Pick 12 , Overall Pick # 109 (from New Orleans via Miami) – David Bakhtiari OG Colorado 0.85 
  • Packers Round 4 , Pick 25 , Overall Pick # 122 – J.C. Tretter OG Cornell  0.86 
  • Packers Round 4 , Pick 28 , Overall Pick # 125 (from Denver) – Johnathan Franklin RB UCLA 1.84 
  • Packers Round 5 , Pick 26 , Overall Pick # 159 – Micah Hyde CB Iowa 1.69 
  • Packers Round 5 , Pick 34 , Overall Pick # 167 (Compensatory Pick) – Josh Boyd DT Mississippi State 0.83 
  • Packers Round 6 , Pick 25 , Overall Pick # 193 – Nate Palmer ILB Illinois State 0.56 
  • Packers Round 7 , Pick 10 , Overall Pick # 216 (from Tennessee via San Francisco) – Charles Johnson WR Grand Valley State 0.62 
  • Packers Round 7 , Pick 18 , Overall Pick # 224 (from Dallas via Miami) – Kevin Dorsey WR Maryland 0.65 
  • Packers Round 7 , Pick 26 , Overall Pick # 232 – Sam Barrignton ILB South Florida 0.67

Total Picks 12 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.13

22) Oakland Raiders

  • Raiders Round 7 , Pick 27 , Overall Pick # 233 (from Houston) – David Bass OLB Missouri Western 1.64 
  • Raiders Round 1 , Pick 12 , Overall Pick # 12 (from Miami) – D.J. Hayden CB Houston 0.73 
  • Raiders Round 2 , Pick 10 , Overall Pick # 42 (from Miami) – Menelik Watson OT Florida State 0.31 
  • Raiders Round 3 , Pick 4 , Overall Pick # 66 – Sio Moore OLB Connecticut 0.30 
  • Raiders Round 4 , Pick 15 , Overall Pick # 112 (from Tampa Bay) – Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas 3.73 
  • Raiders Round 6 , Pick 4 , Overall Pick # 172 – Nick Kasa TE Colorado 0.53 
  • Raiders Round 6 , Pick 13 , Overall Pick # 181 (from Tampa Bay) – Latavius Murray RB Central Florida 0.52 
  • Raiders Round 6 , Pick 16 , Overall Pick # 184 (from St. Louis via Houston) – Mychal Rivera TE Tennessee 0.97 
  • Raiders Round 6 , Pick 37 , Overall Pick # 205 (Compensatory Pick) – Stacy McGee DT Oklahoma 0.89 
  • Raiders Round 7 , Pick 3 , Overall Pick # 209 – Brice Butler WR San Diego State 0.60 

Total Picks 10 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.02 

23) Dallas Cowboys

  • Cowboys Round 1 , Pick 31 , Overall Pick # 31 (from San Francisco) – Travis Frederick C Wisconsin 1.21 
  • Cowboys Round 2 , Pick 15 , Overall Pick # 47 – Gavin Escobar TE San Diego State 0.92 
  • Cowboys Round 3 , Pick 12 , Overall Pick # 74 (from Carolina via San Francisco) – Terrance Williams WR Baylor 1.80 
  • Cowboys Round 3 , Pick 18 , Overall Pick # 80 – J.J. Wilcox S Georgia Southern 0.23 
  • Cowboys Round 4 , Pick 17 , Overall Pick # 114 – B.W. Webb CB William & Mary  0.88 
  • Cowboys Round 5 , Pick 18 , Overall Pick # 151 – Joseph Randle RB Oklahoma State  1.09 
  • Cowboys Round 6 , Pick 17 , Overall Pick # 185 – DeVonte Holloman OLB South Carolina 0.95 

Total Picks 7 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 1.01

24) San Francisco 49ers

  • 49ers Round 1 , Pick 18 , Overall Pick # 18 (from Dallas) – Eric Reid S LSU 0.71 
  • 49ers Round 2 , Pick 8 , Overall Pick # 40 (from Tennessee) – Cornellius Carradine DE Florida State 1.20 
  • 49ers Round 2 , Pick 23 , Overall Pick # 55 (from Green Bay) – Vance McDonald TE Rice  0.41 
  • 49ers Round 3 , Pick 26 , Overall Pick # 88 (from Green Bay) – Corey Lemonier OLB Auburn 1.01 
  • 49ers Round 4 , Pick 31 , Overall Pick # 128 – Quinton Patton WR Louisiana Tech 2.06 
  • 49ers Round 4 , Pick 34 , Overall Pick # 131 (Compensatory Pick) – Marcus Lattimore RB South Carolina 1.21 
  • 49ers Round 5 , Pick 24 , Overall Pick # 157 (from Indianapolis) – Quinton Dial DE Alabama 1.30 
  • 49ers Round 6 , Pick 12 , Overall Pick # 180 (from Miami) – Nick Moody OLB Florida State 0.82 
  • 49ers Round 7 , Pick 31 , Overall Pick # 237 – B.J. Daniels QB South Florida  0.68 
  • 49ers Round 7 , Pick 40 , Overall Pick # 246 (Compensatory Pick) – Carter Bylowski OT Iowa State  0.71 
  • 49ers Round 7 , Pick 46 , Overall Pick # 252 (Compensatory Pick) – Marcus Cooper CB Rutgers 0.73 

Total Picks 11 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 0.99 

25) Detroit Lions

  • Lions Round 1 , Pick 5 , Overall Pick # 5 – Ezekiel Ansah DE BYU 0.53 
  • Lions Round 2 , Pick 4 , Overall Pick # 36 – Darius Slay CB Mississippi State 0.94 
  • Lions Round 3 , Pick 3 , Overall Pick # 65 – Larry Warford OG Kentucky 1.93 
  • Lions Round 4 , Pick 35 , Overall Pick # 132 (Compensatory Pick) – Devin Taylor OLB South Carolina 1.09 
  • Lions Round 5 , Pick 32 , Overall Pick # 165 (from Baltimore via Seattle) – Sam Martin P Appalachian State 0.48 
  • Lions Round 6 , Pick 3 , Overall Pick # 171 – Corey Fuller WR Virginia Tech 0.49 
  • Lions Round 6 , Pick 31 , Overall Pick # 199 (from San Francisco via Baltimore and Seattle) – Theo Riddick RB Notre Dame 0.80 
  • Lions Round 7 , Pick 5 , Overall Pick # 211 (from Dallas) – Michael Williams TE Alabama 1.74 
  • Lions Round 7 , Pick 39 , Overall Pick # 245 (Compensatory Pick) – Brandon Hepburn ILB Florida A&M 0.71

Total Picks 9 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 0.97

26) Jacksonville Jaguars

  • Jaguars Round 1 , Pick 2 , Overall Pick # 2 – Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M 2.75 
  • Jaguars Round 2 , Pick 1 , Overall Pick # 33 – Jonathan Cyprien S Florida International 0.42 
  • Jaguars Round 3 , Pick 2 , Overall Pick # 64 – Dwayne Gratz CB Connecticut 0.42 
  • Jaguars Round 4 , Pick 4 , Overall Pick # 101 (from Philadelphia) – Ace Sanders WR South Carolina 0.29 
  • Jaguars Round 5 , Pick 2 , Overall Pick # 135 – Denard Robinson WR Michigan 1.02 
  • Jaguars Round 6 , Pick 1 , Overall Pick # 169 – Josh Evans S Florida 0.98 
  • Jaguars Round 7 , Pick 2 , Overall Pick # 208 – Jeremy Harris CB New Mexico State 0.60 
  • Jaguars Round 7 , Pick 4 , Overall Pick # 210 (from Philadelphia) – Demetrius McCray CB Appalachian State 0.61 

Total Picks 8 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 0.89 

27) Kansas City Chiefs

  • Chiefs Round 1 , Pick 1 , Overall Pick # 1 – Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan 0.95 
  • Chiefs Round 3 , Pick 1 , Overall Pick # 63 – Travis Kelce TE Cincinnati 0.80
  • Chiefs Round 3 , Pick 34 , Overall Pick # 96 (Compensatory Pick) – Knile Davis RB Arkansas  0.55 
  • Chiefs Round 4 , Pick 2 , Overall Pick # 99 (from Detroit) – Nico Johnson ILB Alabama 1.67 
  • Chiefs Round 5 , Pick 1 , Overall Pick # 134 – Sanders Commings CB Georgia  0.70 
  • Chiefs Round 6 , Pick 2 , Overall Pick # 170 – Eric Kush C California (PA) 0.49 
  • Chiefs Round 6 , Pick 36 , Overall Pick # 204 (Compensatory Pick) – Braden Wilson FB Kansas State 0.71 
  • Chiefs Round 7 , Pick 1 , Overall Pick # 207 – Mike Catapano WR Princeton 0.60 

Total Picks 8 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 0.84

28) Buffalo Bills

  • Bills Round 1 , Pick 16 , Overall Pick # 16 (from St. Louis) – E.J. Manuel QB Florida State 0.81 
  • Bills Round 2 , Pick 9 , Overall Pick # 41 – Robert Woods WR USC 1.59 
  • Bills Round 2 , Pick 14 , Overall Pick # 46 (from St. Louis) – Kiko Alonso ILB Oregon 1.07 
  • Bills Round 5 , Pick 10 , Overall Pick # 143 – Jonathan Meeks CB Clemson 0.41 
  • Bills Round 6 , Pick 9 , Overall Pick # 177 – Dustin Hopkins K Florida State 0.51 
  • Bills Round 3 , Pick 16 , Overall Pick # 78 (from St. Louis) – Marquise Goodwin WR Texas 0.50 
  • Bills Round 4 , Pick 8 , Overall Pick # 105 – Duke Williams S Nevada 0.57 
  • Bills Round 7 , Pick 16 , Overall Pick # 222 (from St. Louis) – Chris Gragg TE Arkansas 1.62

Total Picks 8 – Dubsism Draft Quotient 0.78

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4 comments on “The Dubsism 2013 NFL Draft Review – What We Told Them vs. What They Did vs. What ESPN Won’t Tell You

  1. J-Dub
    May 1, 2013

    Reblogged this on Sports Blog Movement.

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  2. I just wanna know how I can get one of them sweet J-Dub jerseys.

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  3. Ryan Meehan
    May 2, 2013

    Wow this must have taken an incredibly long time to put together.

    I blows me away how many offensive lines in the NFL do in fact truly suck. It’s not just the Giants. The Bears, Eagles, and Panthers, and you name it also have awful lines protecting big name guys.

    Meehan

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    • J-Dub
      May 4, 2013

      Don’t forget Cowboys, who may be the. And forget about the knee thing, the fact that Adrian Peterson did what he did behind a Viking O-Line made of Spam and floor sweepings was amazing.

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